Lo que pasa es que, se interpreta como a uno mas le conviene la Ley divina.

http://www.eluniverso.com/2008/02/25/0001/21/76878F2D93BB4FFDBC79B183B094DBE4.aspx

man, those guys never learn

Skinner is right in mentioning group-think as one of the causes of the great famines, but pretending that his version of communism (rejecting “burgeosie science”? seriously?) is the only environment under which “such situation could occur” is preposterous.

I find “body-count” types of argument silly. By that logic we should all be buddhist-radical-pacifists, or whatever. For me the problem should be stated like this: Religion has always claimed to have the absolute fail-proof moral compass, atheism has never made such a ludicrous statement. That means even if Hitler,Stalin and Vldemort had killed a bunch of people in the name of atheism, such actions can never be brought against atheism, since atheism has never claimed infallible moral judgement. Atheism is basically just the statement “There is no empirical evidence for the existence of a god, therefore it makes sense not to waste my time with such an assumption”. Religion, on the contrary, does make the claim of ethical and moral perfect knowledge - after all since some god told you so, it must be the absolute truth, right? Now, the use of violence in the name of some moral principle is of course not wrong per se, one could think of multilple examples we could all agree violence was necessary and justified: Wars of independence, guerrilla wars of liberation, etc. Thats not the problem. The problem is that religion has consistently shown its moral compass to be corrupt, self-servient and only interested in maintaining their economical/political power. And that shows religious doctrine to be nothing more than hypocritical bullshit.

If there were some religion, for example, whose only dogma was “People should never live under imperialistic oppresion”, and there were a bunch of wars started because of this religion, I personally would have no problem with it, since I happen to agree with such a statement. But when one reviews the very public history of the Catholic Church, how they tried to supress science, how they profited from feudalism, how they never denounced Hitlers genocide in Europe or the State Departments FAR WORSE GENOCIDE in Central America, the current Pope even denouncing in those times jesuit priests who were murdered and tortured in the Central American civil wars, for the crime of preaching Liberation Theology, since we all know that actually reading and understanding the Gospel and Jesus is “inciting violence against the upper classes”, etc. etc. ones only rational conclusion is that the Catholic Church are just a bunch of pedophilic hypocrites totally full of shit, and the last organization I would go to in search of moral guidance.

So, in short, the problem is not some “in name of whom were the most people killed” pissing contest, but the total hypocrisy of the Catholic Church and religion in general in claiming the moral high ground on anything.

Wasn’t the worst the great leap foward? Despite how ruthless Moa was, I don’t think it was intentional- I think it was a combination of group think and ingorance- not really comforting to the tens of millions who dies though. I think it is fair to blame it on communism because such a situation could only occur under communism (rejecting “borguise” science, striving for industrialization, complete control of economy, etc.). I think the Holocaust is judged worst because it only makes sense in lala land- the justification was completely detached from the real world.