Comments on: The great Dell Linux scam http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/ We only do fun stuff. Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:56:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Whipping Boy http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-616572 Whipping Boy Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:31:28 +0000 http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-616572 <p>Because I work for a company that has complicated procurement and budgeting procedures and we can only get Dells.</p> <p>And personally, I'm voting for Ru Paul</p> Because I work for a company that has complicated procurement and budgeting procedures and we can only get Dells.

And personally, I’m voting for Ru Paul

]]> By: Daniel http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-559402 Daniel Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:40:18 +0000 http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-559402 <p>Wow, Im amazed. Microsoft's oppresive business tactics are just another sign of its weakness. Ubuntu 7 (Beryl) could be easily configured to be user friendly and have drivers etc already isntalled (since Dell usually deals in packages). Dell is being whimpy and like someone else said - forgeting it's roots.</p> <p>I think with a few more releases ubuntu will offer Dell an alternative to microsoft. Ubunutu (as it is) - is within striking range of the tyrant. 10 pages of documentation explain that pidgin is msn messenger, mozilla is IE and thunderbird is outlook would get a new user up and running in no time.</p> <p>The problem is - what do you need to do to get a user of sub-intellegence up and running? Im sure this is the only thing stoping Dell from treating the linux community with a little more respect.</p> <p>The major issue with linux is its support base. Mac have done well in this respect, so people making the transition are almost pampered once they switch to mac. However the reality is - you dont have to be overly intelligent to use a mac. If linux could provide something (besides google and forums) to help convertee's deal with the change it would be more successful.</p> Wow, Im amazed. Microsoft’s oppresive business tactics are just another sign of its weakness. Ubuntu 7 (Beryl) could be easily configured to be user friendly and have drivers etc already isntalled (since Dell usually deals in packages). Dell is being whimpy and like someone else said - forgeting it’s roots.

I think with a few more releases ubuntu will offer Dell an alternative to microsoft. Ubunutu (as it is) - is within striking range of the tyrant. 10 pages of documentation explain that pidgin is msn messenger, mozilla is IE and thunderbird is outlook would get a new user up and running in no time.

The problem is - what do you need to do to get a user of sub-intellegence up and running? Im sure this is the only thing stoping Dell from treating the linux community with a little more respect.

The major issue with linux is its support base. Mac have done well in this respect, so people making the transition are almost pampered once they switch to mac. However the reality is - you dont have to be overly intelligent to use a mac. If linux could provide something (besides google and forums) to help convertee’s deal with the change it would be more successful.

]]> By: Adam http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-554369 Adam Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:38:30 +0000 http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-554369 <p>Well if Ubuntu takes so little resorces to run, why pay more for useless hardware? Oh, because it doesn't. XP ran better on my computer than linux does now, but i can't go back because i don't have the XP disc</p> Well if Ubuntu takes so little resorces to run, why pay more for useless hardware? Oh, because it doesn’t. XP ran better on my computer than linux does now, but i can’t go back because i don’t have the XP disc

]]> By: compwrite http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-520976 compwrite Fri, 16 May 2008 21:51:32 +0000 http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-520976 <p>nice article, i really appricate it</p> nice article, i really appricate it

]]> By: DW http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-507248 DW Thu, 01 May 2008 15:10:29 +0000 http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-507248 <p>A lot of times PC companies get special rebates/funds from Microsoft and other vendors for marketing. The free RAM upgrade is most likely a result of one of those product specific (or Microsoft specific) rebates. You need to learn more about hardware companies and their business dynamics before posting somewhat ignorantly here. Huge corporations are frequently considered evil for anti trust activities... they probably are evil sometimes... but hand in hand with their huge scale, which they may preserve through questionable means, consumers are given lower prices and ultimately go with those. What's best for society? It is very tough to say when we're in the same room as someone who is struggling financially and may even barely afford to buy things at Wal-Mart. Another example IS Wal-Mart. This is just a fact of life that people need to deal with. Businesses are not interested in dissing Linux. They are interested in making money. Hypothetically if Microsoft or another vendor wanted to promote a specific product with a special rebate, they can do that. It has nothing to do with Linux. Btw, I am a Linux user but just fed up with conspiracy theories that are out of touch with reality. I think Dell people are genuine about their support for Linux, but at the same time see it as a strategy against Microsoft. I think all PC companies do that, some with genuine Linux supporters some without. I think Dell still has some people who are "with" it. At the end of the day we need to think about how to make money with Linux that companies and consumers understand... instead of bitch and whine about how we are under served.</p> A lot of times PC companies get special rebates/funds from Microsoft and other vendors for marketing. The free RAM upgrade is most likely a result of one of those product specific (or Microsoft specific) rebates. You need to learn more about hardware companies and their business dynamics before posting somewhat ignorantly here. Huge corporations are frequently considered evil for anti trust activities… they probably are evil sometimes… but hand in hand with their huge scale, which they may preserve through questionable means, consumers are given lower prices and ultimately go with those. What’s best for society? It is very tough to say when we’re in the same room as someone who is struggling financially and may even barely afford to buy things at Wal-Mart. Another example IS Wal-Mart. This is just a fact of life that people need to deal with. Businesses are not interested in dissing Linux. They are interested in making money. Hypothetically if Microsoft or another vendor wanted to promote a specific product with a special rebate, they can do that. It has nothing to do with Linux. Btw, I am a Linux user but just fed up with conspiracy theories that are out of touch with reality. I think Dell people are genuine about their support for Linux, but at the same time see it as a strategy against Microsoft. I think all PC companies do that, some with genuine Linux supporters some without. I think Dell still has some people who are “with” it. At the end of the day we need to think about how to make money with Linux that companies and consumers understand… instead of bitch and whine about how we are under served.

]]> By: Andrew http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-505040 Andrew Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:44:58 +0000 http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-505040 <p>The real way to save money is to buy the parts and make your own computer. Then you don't have to worry about BS Dell deals. My compy is pretty good and cost about $1000 less than if I bought it from HP or whoever.</p> The real way to save money is to buy the parts and make your own computer. Then you don’t have to worry about BS Dell deals. My compy is pretty good and cost about $1000 less than if I bought it from HP or whoever.

]]> By: kmashraf http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-492857 kmashraf Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:29:53 +0000 http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-492857 <p>In reply to all those who belittle GNU/Linux. I am over 50, I started using computers when I turned 40, I came across GNU/Linux over half a decade ago and it changed my life. It taught me computering . I make money (enough to live a decent life) with it. And I have never concerned myself with whether a company sold machines with GNU/Linux pre-installed on them. Always put the install/live CD in them and made it work. Some didn't because the manufacturer of that particular component was/is not interested in providing GNU/Linux drivers for it. It is also probable that somebody in the GNU/Linux community would have written a driver for the same. Thereby I could make it work. For those who rail against the differences (distro's) it is about choice and that too the ultimate. You can run the gamut of choice here folks. You are 'free' to customise it all you want. Including building your own distro. I live in India and I can assure you GNU/Linux has empowered me. I can only say "thank you" all those who made this possible.</p> In reply to all those who belittle GNU/Linux. I am over 50, I started using computers when I turned 40, I came across GNU/Linux over half a decade ago and it changed my life. It taught me computering . I make money (enough to live a decent life) with it. And I have never concerned myself with whether a company sold machines with GNU/Linux pre-installed on them. Always put the install/live CD in them and made it work. Some didn’t because the manufacturer of that particular component was/is not interested in providing GNU/Linux drivers for it. It is also probable that somebody in the GNU/Linux community would have written a driver for the same. Thereby I could make it work. For those who rail against the differences (distro’s) it is about choice and that too the ultimate. You can run the gamut of choice here folks. You are ‘free’ to customise it all you want. Including building your own distro. I live in India and I can assure you GNU/Linux has empowered me. I can only say “thank you” all those who made this possible.

]]> By: Andrzej Novak http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-487422 Andrzej Novak Sat, 12 Apr 2008 06:35:03 +0000 http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-487422 <p>Er, who buys $275 upgrade to only 2 GB RAM? I "upgraded" (I got a whitebook, so I didn't have to "upgrade") my laptop to 4 GB for only $80 (no rebates, too!) a month or two ago.</p> <p>Given that anyone with any kind of sense should upgrade their own laptops (some choose to get it from the vendor, for unified warranty purposes, but I think they are overpaying for that insurance), Dell Ubuntu laptops are still very much on par with Windows laptops, price-wise.</p> <p>Not that, of course, I'm happy with Dell. I'm rather mad at them for not offering Ubuntu (or OS-less) AMD laptops---forcing me to go the whitebook route.</p> Er, who buys $275 upgrade to only 2 GB RAM? I “upgraded” (I got a whitebook, so I didn’t have to “upgrade”) my laptop to 4 GB for only $80 (no rebates, too!) a month or two ago.

Given that anyone with any kind of sense should upgrade their own laptops (some choose to get it from the vendor, for unified warranty purposes, but I think they are overpaying for that insurance), Dell Ubuntu laptops are still very much on par with Windows laptops, price-wise.

Not that, of course, I’m happy with Dell. I’m rather mad at them for not offering Ubuntu (or OS-less) AMD laptops—forcing me to go the whitebook route.

]]> By: whoa es mi~~~ http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-487398 whoa es mi~~~ Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:28:33 +0000 http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-487398 <p>For many years I have owned a computer repair shop in northern California. No less than 75% of the desktops and laptops we see are Dell boxes. At one time I thought maybe Dell has that percentage of the market ; ;;WRONG;; We refuse to sell them in our shop. We love Dell however, they keep us in business.</p> <p>No matter what OS ships with a Dell why oh why do it.</p> For many years I have owned a computer repair shop in northern California. No less than 75% of the desktops and laptops we see are Dell boxes. At one time I thought maybe Dell has that percentage of the market ; ;;WRONG;; We refuse to sell them in our shop. We love Dell however, they keep us in business.

No matter what OS ships with a Dell why oh why do it.

]]> By: John http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-487287 John Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:14:01 +0000 http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-487287 <p>After a new laptop, I discover Dell will supply one with Linux. This is an Inspiron 1525. I customise it. It is perfect. Out of curiosity I see I can get the same model with Windows and a faster processor for £100 less (Linux T5450, Webcam, 2GB, 160GBSATA - £444 or Windows T5550, Webcam, 2GB, 160GBSATA - £444) There is no way to get the same processors for the Linux where T5450 is the fastest available and for Windows T5550 which is the slowest available but faster than the Linux one.</p> <p>The date - Today 12 April 2008.</p> <p>Mind you in the USA there is a bigger range. I was honestly going to buy one until I discovered this. I have just bought a HP530. That is a genuine one sale loss for Dell.</p> After a new laptop, I discover Dell will supply one with Linux. This is an Inspiron 1525. I customise it. It is perfect. Out of curiosity I see I can get the same model with Windows and a faster processor for £100 less (Linux T5450, Webcam, 2GB, 160GBSATA - £444 or Windows T5550, Webcam, 2GB, 160GBSATA - £444) There is no way to get the same processors for the Linux where T5450 is the fastest available and for Windows T5550 which is the slowest available but faster than the Linux one.

The date - Today 12 April 2008.

Mind you in the USA there is a bigger range. I was honestly going to buy one until I discovered this. I have just bought a HP530. That is a genuine one sale loss for Dell.

]]> By: lol http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-486984 lol Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:13:00 +0000 http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-486984 <p>Apparently these millions of linux users have no commonsense. Buy the windows machine with the free upgrades....Then download whatever distro you want of linux....Install said distro! Now you have an OS that you love plus another you can start a yet another of the countless linux fanboy/windows hater websites.</p> <p>Personally I like both OS's. I'll use linux full time when I can insert a game into the dvd drive and it installs without the use of useless emulators and punching lines and lines into the terminal.</p> Apparently these millions of linux users have no commonsense. Buy the windows machine with the free upgrades….Then download whatever distro you want of linux….Install said distro! Now you have an OS that you love plus another you can start a yet another of the countless linux fanboy/windows hater websites.

Personally I like both OS’s. I’ll use linux full time when I can insert a game into the dvd drive and it installs without the use of useless emulators and punching lines and lines into the terminal.

]]> By: ParanoidAndy http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-486879 ParanoidAndy Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:34:18 +0000 http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-486879 <p>The reason Dell with Linux is more expensive is because "windows" pays Dell to put there OS on there computers. Linux or Ubuntu is a free OS (and a better OS) so the companies associated is not paying off Dell to but a crappy OS on there computers.</p> The reason Dell with Linux is more expensive is because “windows” pays Dell to put there OS on there computers. Linux or Ubuntu is a free OS (and a better OS) so the companies associated is not paying off Dell to but a crappy OS on there computers.

]]> By: Anyone bought a Dell Linux computer? - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-486474 Anyone bought a Dell Linux computer? - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:17:13 +0000 http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-486474 <p>[...] should actually be $50 less... The Great Dell Linux Scam __________________ Athlon X2 4600+ Manchester @ 2809.9 Member of the s939 Appreciation Club! [...]</p> [...] should actually be $50 less… The Great Dell Linux Scam __________________ Athlon X2 4600+ Manchester @ 2809.9 Member of the s939 Appreciation Club! [...]

]]> By: jon http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-486198 jon Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:52:39 +0000 http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-486198 <p>excellent points you could always get windows version and decline end user agreement and ask for refund.</p> <p>Jon</p> excellent points you could always get windows version and decline end user agreement and ask for refund.

Jon

]]> By: anon http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-486158 anon Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:37:17 +0000 http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/07/11/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux/#comment-486158 <p>Dell doesn't want to give you free stuff when you don't want to pay money, oh noes, call the internet police at digg. It's like asking a lemon aid stand to serve ice tea and demanding free sugar, they bent over backwards to get this up, and all you do is complain that you don't get the same benefits as the people willing to pay a tad more.</p> <p>PROTIP: buy the windows compy, with upgrades free, and install Ubuntu. Jeeze you guys are annoying.</p> Dell doesn’t want to give you free stuff when you don’t want to pay money, oh noes, call the internet police at digg. It’s like asking a lemon aid stand to serve ice tea and demanding free sugar, they bent over backwards to get this up, and all you do is complain that you don’t get the same benefits as the people willing to pay a tad more.

PROTIP: buy the windows compy, with upgrades free, and install Ubuntu. Jeeze you guys are annoying.

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